First PM visit in Warsaw again

Having President Áder asked PM Orbán formally to form his new government this morning, Mr. Orbán left for his first visit abroad. Just like in 2010, when Fidesz won another landslide victory, his first prime ministerial visit was paid to Poland again.

“The next Hungarian government will also be deeply committed towards the historic Polish-Hungarian friendship” and “as in the last four years, the new Hungarian government wants to focus on Central Europe in its foreign policies”, Orbán said. He also thanked Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk the support Hungary has received from Poland since 2010.

First visit in Warsaw again

The Polish prime minister also emphasized the importance of the traditional Polish-Hungarian friendship and the fact Mr. Orbán visited Poland first. He also praised the Visegrad Four cooperation and Hungary’s presidency of the V4 which is ending at the end of June.  Concerning the recent election results in Hungary, he noted that “Hungarians appreciated the values the party alliance led by PM Orbán represent”.

The “energy union”, proposed by PM Tusk and fully backed by PM Orbán, was the most important topic of the talks. This means that at least the V4 countries would fully integrate their energy supply systems (gas and electricity networks) and they would strive to achieve “energy independence”, for example getting rid of a complete dependence on Russian natural gas.
The prime ministers have briefly discussed the Ukrainian situation, too, and they noted the Hungarian and Polish views and interests are similar: both countries are neighbouring to Ukraine and Hungarian and Polish ethnic minorities live in Ukraine.

All I can say  (in Polish) is

Polak, Węgier — dwa bratanki,
i do szabli, i do szklanki,

Please read this Wikipedia article for more details.

 

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  1. Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

     /  07/05/2014

    Leto Mu’ab-dib, there are no more replies permitted in the thread above/ My reference was your very own Magyar Hirlap article. Learn to read,

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    • Shall we believe Szél Bernadett, that hysterical opposition green politician?

      The agreement will be discussed soon by the new Parliament.

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  2. Eva's files

     /  06/05/2014

    It’s good to see that the Polish-Hungarian friendship is as strong as ever:

    There was a funny post today in the blog of the Red Communist Eva Balogh (who was clearly a Communist agent before she even left Hungary). She really does not have any shame, even though being a publicly known informer/agent, she talks shamelessly about the topic, read this comment section :

    https://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/two-controversial-jobbik-appointments-tamas-sneider-and-dora-duro/#comments

    Red Éva wrote:
    “Fidesz and the security files. They have their reasons. Why do you think Orbán named Kövér minister without portfolio in charge of the files? That was in 1998 but perhaps they are afraid that they haven’t managed to get all traces of their activities removed.”

    My reply to her:
    I would just love to see your files, Eva. Because you know, you certainly haven’t “manage to get all traces of your activities removed” from even the public places. I have personally read newspaper articles that discuss your connection to various agencies. C’mon, say it ain’t so it will be funny.

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    • Johnny Boy

       /  06/05/2014

      Re: “Eva’s files”,
      Eva is one of those fake dissidents who were sent out by the Communist secret state agency to monitor and report on real dissidents. She was a link in the chain, and she still fights like the last Japanese soldier on the island 20 years after the war has been lost.

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      • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

         /  07/05/2014

        Have you no shame whatsoever? Eva’s young life was torn apart by the pro-Soviets. Eva escaped from Hungary in 1956, alone, penniless and without a word of English and she managed to educate herself, eventually getting a doctorate from Yale where she taught and was a college dean. There are plenty of witnesses from among the refugee community in Canada and the US who can testify to Eva’s biography and the proof in her decades of scholarship of her honest commitment to mainstream democracy and market economics, not the tired fantasies of nationalists or communists.

        You may disagree with her, and it’s your right to ignore here, but decency demands that when you write of her, you recognize her as an honest woman whose deep devotion to Hungary and wish that Hungary faired better commits her to telling the truth as best she can, based on the best evidence available. Attacking her in this way is beneath contempt, it is not how (small d) democrats work, as democrats recognize that no ideological party, right, left or center can always have a monopoly on information and the correct policy, but that it is worked out through fair and calm deliberation based on facts.

        If you wish to go so low as to sink and make evidence-free accusations about any communist era files, then you damn well ought to stop trading in communist-style denunciations and produce some facts. Oh, wait a minute, you can’t do that because Fidesz has done its best to keep any files closed! So I dare you here to be consistent and demand an opening of the files, Be consistent and demand that ALL the files be opened for everyone, not only for Eva but for the entire political elite from Fidesz to the socialists to the former dissidents, and of course, you and your own family,

        Why do you hate Hungary and the Hungarian people so much?

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        • Angela wrote

           /  07/05/2014

          Angela wrote this but I agree with it:

          ” She was an exceptional penniless emigre indeed if she managed to ‘educate herself’, first in Canada, then in the US (where, she has herself said, she had to ‘sneak in’). Do you have any idea of the cost of a university education in the USA at the time? How could she possibly have financed that independently? Far from ‘Eva’s young life’ being ‘torn apart by the pro-Soviets’, they were her financiers, and she their faithful agent of influence and spy. Hater of Hungarians and of all things Hungarian, she is still the vicious traitor she was all her disgusting commie life. Her blog attests to that.”

          You also not able to understand that Eva was in deep cover in the US, so of course unless Eva’s files are released we will likely not now what’s the real deal with her. Mind you that her original files could also be in Moscow. There is a pretty good TV series that discusses Communist Agents living in deep cover in the US. it is called “The Americans” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Americans_(2013_TV_series) ) so while Eva was almost certainly an informer she is the same type of “American” as the ones in the series :DD

          You might also be interested in this link: http://nol.hu/kulfold/a_cia_kerdez__iranbol_penzelik_a_jobbikot_-436911

          You really have to check out this link: http://nol.hu/kulfold/a_cia_kerdez__iranbol_penzelik_a_jobbikot_-436911

          Reading that link you could also understand that it is PUBLIC knowledge that Eva IS connected and IS an informer to at least one such agency. They obviously started to be interested in Eva in the first place because of her previous work as a communist agent. There is no other logical explanation.

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  3. Angela Bogaczy

     /  06/05/2014

    A warm, touching article, Leto! But I cannot quite share its optimism: While the traditional friendship with Poland is valuable indeed, the strongly anti-Russian positioning of Donald Tusk is ever more worrying, for that position is not in our interest. Foreign Minster Sikorski is even more worrying. He is married to neo-con Anne Applebaum, and seems to have become as stridently anti-Russian as she is. (Have a look at a recent article of hers here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/anne-applebaum-finding-the-energy-to-deter-russia/2014/05/01/cdb6d338-d163-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html .)

    I know there is nothing surprising in Polish caution with regard to Russia. (After all, half of Poland ‘is’ Russia!) But the more neo-con-like Poland becomes, the more awkward the Hungarian position will be. We cannot unreservedly throw in our lot with the neo-cons or the EU. That lot are not well disposed to Hungary. We need the Russian balance. What is to come, I wonder?

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    • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

       /  07/05/2014

      Angela, “a Russian balance”? Are you insane? Are you another Fidesznik pushing Hungary back into the arms of Russia as fast as possible? Do you really hate Hungary and the Hungarian people so much that you would wish more Putinism on us? Hungary’s energy future is already too one-sidedly tied to Russia as plans for an alternative pipeline (an early policy of Orban’s that I supported wholeheartedly) have now been scrapped in favor of the Russian gas supply monopoly and our grandchildren will be paying back loans to Russia for their entire lives to pay for the new nuclear power plant, at rates above the market, with payback beginning before that plant ever emits a single watt of power. Russian has shown itself perfectly willing to shut off the gas supply to the Ukraine when they’ve found it useful, why would you suppose they’d not be willing to do the same to Hungary? Should Russian tanks roll into Hungary, are you going to welcome them, or are you going to stand with the NATO allies and push back?

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      • For the record, the financial conditions for the Russian loan which would finance the extension of the Russian-built power stations are very favourable. In fact Hungary couldn’t have gotten a better deal anywhere else.

        * a 10 billion EUR state-guaranteed loan for 21 years, everything paid and calculated in EURs
        * 80 percents of the overall costs could be financed from the loan
        * the first installment is to be paid only after the new blocks would start working
        * 25% is to be paid in 14 even installments in the first 7 years (period A)
        * 35% is to be paid in 14 even installments in the next 7 years (period B)
        * 40% is to be paid in 14 even installments in the next 7 years (period C)
        Interest conditions:
        * 3.95% until the power blocks would start working
        * 4.5% in period A
        * 4.8% in period B
        * 4.95% in period C

        http://magyarhirlap.hu/ime-a-paksi-hitel-reszletei

        FYI, Hungary’s 10 year bonds are traded at a 5.4 percent yield now
        http://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/hungary-10-year-bond-yield

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        • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

           /  07/05/2014

          “Everything paid and calculated in Euros” … thus, you ignore the currency risk, which is exactly the same as that of every Hungarian who has taken a foreign currency loan. Further, you have to compare the payback in terms of the expected income from the energy produced against the backdrop of the anticipated increases in fracked oil and gas production worldwide and the opportunity cost of Hungary not investing in any renewables, which is crazy given the geothermal and wind potential of the country as well as the steadily sinking solar costs. This deal is a massive loss for Hungary’s people, and particularly for Hungarian people who are not yet born. And that bond yield, I hope you realize that that is what Hungary must pay to borrow money — and is almost at the level of Greece and twice that of Germany. Nice try, but you’re a financial illiterate.

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          • “thus, you ignore the currency risk”

            Since you probably consider yourself “financially literate”, please do tell me which country would have provided a loan in Hungarian Forints (in order to eliminate those currency risks), and under better financial conditions, to replace the Paks power blocks which must be decommissioned starting from 2025. Thanks.

            “I hope you realize that that is what Hungary must pay to borrow money — and is almost at the level of Greece and twice that of Germany”

            Believe it or not, I have realized that. And have you realized that this yield was around 8% in 2010 before the Orbán government took office? BTW, Greece’s 10 year-bond yield is 6.2% now and it was 6.8% back then.

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            • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

               /  07/05/2014

              Of course the loan would not have been ,made in Forint, but if you ignore the currency risk, you cannot correctly analyze the conditions. The currency risk here is real and large.

              The alternative, of course, would be financing through a lender like the World Bank or IMF. The interest rates they offer are superior, a huge net savings to Hungary, however, a loan from them would have required more transparency and accountability than the present government is willing to accept. (If you wish to compare, the full text of the agreement with the Russians is still not available to the Hungarian public, and what we do know of it includes “features” like a 150% penalty for a 15 day delay in payments and full default — which would mean a national default to Russia — after 180 days.) If you are at all conservative in your values, you should be scandalized by this.

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              • IMF, of course… What else? 😀 BTW, can you enlighten me how an IMF loan eliminates that “currency risk”?

                ” The interest rates they offer are superior”

                Ah, the usual postcommie/leftlib BS… 😀

                ” Overall, the interests payable to the IMF are only slightly lower than those of the open money markets”
                http://www.budapesttelegraph.com/news/436/faq_about_hungary%E2%80%99s_dealings_with_imf

                And this was last year and Hungary’s open market finance conditions have improved a lot since then, too.

                “what we do know of it”

                You’re in the know, aren’t you? 😉 How about some references?

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                • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

                   /  07/05/2014

                  Do you want more transparency and accountability on the part of your government or not?

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                  • Do you want to answer my very valid questions first or not?

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                    • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

                       /  07/05/2014

                      You don’t eiiminate currency risks. But the risk is lower when the rate is lower. Period. now answer my question.

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                    • So you don’t “eliminate currency risks”. Then why did you bring this up concerning the Russian loan in the first place? 🙂
                      Well, yes, this rate is the lowest Hungary could get anywhere, including IMF. And IMF money always comes with strings attached like “no taxing for banks”, of course…

                      I have pointed out that the “cheap IMF” loan is just cheap leftlib propaganda.
                      I have pointed out that Hungary paid around 8% for her 10 year bonds in 2010 and now that’s 5.4%.
                      In comparison Greece paid 6.8% in 2010 and they pay 6.2% now. For reference, see the link to investing.com
                      You have also failed to provide sources for your latest claim about the Russian loan…

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      • Angela Bogaczy

         /  07/05/2014

        I doubt that you really believe this: ‘…Eva escaped from Hungary in 1956, alone, penniless and without a word of English and she managed to educate herself …’. She was an exceptional penniless emigre indeed if she managed to ‘educate herself’, first in Canada, then in the US (where, she has herself said, she had to ‘sneak in’). Do you have any idea of the cost of a university education in the USA at the time? How could she possibly have financed that independently? Far from ‘Eva’s young life’ being ‘torn apart by the pro-Soviets’, they were her financiers, and she their faithful agent of influence and spy. Hater of Hungarians and of all things Hungarian, she is still the vicious traitor she was all her disgusting commie life. Her blog attests to that.

        The Paks extension loan and its terms constituted the best tender, so Fidesz chose it. (Don’t forget that Paks was an MSZP project in the first instance.)

        You should note also that Russia is not the USSR that Red Eva served. Thanks to Putin, Russia is recovering from the communist scourge it suffered under for three decades +, and from the ruthless depredations of the communists’ heirs, the ‘oligarchs’. The thieving MSZP-SZDSZ trash (the beloved of Red Eva) did exactly the same thing in Hungary as the ‘Russian oligarchs’ in post-Soviet, at much the same time. It is with very good reason that the Hungarian public has finally got rid of that scum through the ballot box.

        Idiocies like ‘ Are you another Fidesznik pushing Hungary back into the arms of Russia as fast as possible?’ cut no ice at all. Russia means us no harm. You and your ilk do. You might well be, in your perverted conception of what that is, a ‘democrat’ (a nations-hating pro-IMF globalist). But you are certainly not Hungarian.

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        • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

           /  07/05/2014

          “Angela”, you and your friends in the FSB are going to have to do a better research job. Getting an education at a state-run school in Canada in the 1950s was not expensive, it could be done easily by a hard-working student with a job on the side and the record of Eva’s teaching assistantships at Yale is hard evidence that she worked her way through school. Again, if you want to smear her, show us some hard facts. You can’t do it, So stop the smearing unless you are going to also call for a release of all the files. As long as those files are protected by you, you’re the real commie lover.

          Russia means no harm? Russia is in the middle of redrawing the map of Europe, a map it promised to guarantee in the Budapest protocols. What is the word of Russia worth?

          My parents lost everything they owned to the commies. You can call me anything you want but you cannot take away my Hungarianess.

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          • Angela Bogaczy

             /  07/05/2014

            ‘ Russia is in the middle of redrawing the map of Europe…’ Ah, as expected: the neo-con line … and lie. Quite as expected, Russia re-absorbed Crimea, on the authority of a referendum. Clearly, it was going to protect its only warm-water port, and its all-important Black Fleet. Just as clearly, control of that port and that fleet was the neo-cons’ aim. (That would have disabled Russia in the Middle East.) Since then, the coup-installed government, led by a neo-con central banker (Nuland’s ‘Yats’), is encouraging the murder of pro-Russians. But where is ‘the re-drawing of the map of Europe’ you speak of? This is an inane claim, even as hyperbole goes.

            ‘Eva’s teaching assistantships at Yale’. After her PhD from Yale? (It cannot have been before, because a BA never did get one any king of teaching role at Yale.) But what about the quite long road to her PhD? On part-time work? Don’t be funny. Besides, what work could she have done that covered her keep and enabled her to pay her tuition fees? And how come she took a degree in Canada before she ‘sneaked in’ (her own words) to the US? Did she, ‘penniless and without a word of English’, manage that … on part-time work? That would make her unique among the post-1956 immigrants to Canada, who worked the butts off just to earn their basic means of livelihood. And why did she have to sneek into the US … dodgy security status, do you think?

            ‘…show some hard facts’? There’s no need, nor possibility. But circumstantial evidence tells against her very loudly indeed. And by the way, have you thought of advising her similarly when she salivates on her blog about the criminal financial dealings of the PM Viktor Orban? Now, there you have smear.

            ‘… you cannot take away my Hungarianess.’ You are not Hungarian, so true: I cannot take that away.

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            • Hungarian Democrat and Patriot

               /  07/05/2014

              That harmless little old lady has got you s__t scared. She must be talking something true if you and your FSB friends can’t argue with facts but have to resort to character assassination. And your reluctance to join in a call for opening up all the files strongly suggests that you’ve got something to hide, starting with your Russian passport.

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              • Angela Bogaczy

                 /  07/05/2014

                Your ‘ harmless little old lady’ is character assassinator Numero Uno. You are right inasmuch she is no longer capable of harm. But she is repulsive.

                ‘…your reluctance to join in a call for opening up all the files…’ Not my reluctance, certainly, nor that of my party’s (Jobbik). I don’t know why Fidesz is holding back, but I suspect that it finds itself busy with immediate concerns (such as the uncovering of various MSZP-SZDSZ financial criminal activities around Gabor Simon), and is not seeing much point in letting us know who the major commie agents were. Have you no real material, so you must hang onto this thin ‘files’ thread so desperately?

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              • GW is a bit stupid

                 /  07/05/2014

                Eva S. Balogh as a “That harmless little old lady”, hahahahahahaha.

                Harmless little CIA informer Balogh:
                http://nol.hu/kulfold/a_cia_kerdez__iranbol_penzelik_a_jobbikot_-436911

                Read all about it, this is what was just PUBLICLY disclosed. Then if you understood that maybe understand how much farther things go under the surface.

                Did you ever wonder why did the CIA became interested in a “harmless little old lady” in the first place? Was it because they became aware of her activities from the time she was a Communist Agent, a fake dissident sent to America to write reports and spy? Of course those days are long gone, after all 1956 was a loooong time ago it is unlikely that she worked more than a few decades in her original employment status.

                But that the CIA became interested in her speaks VOLUMES. Do you understand?

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